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[lytrix]

glen, on Jun 22 2005, 02:27 AM, said:

Personally i would not bother including the Google search feature on your site yet given that only 39 pages of your site have been indexed in the Google cache

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Do you think it might be that Most part of my forum is not accessible to the public? I have very few pages guests can view. And plus, the Google Sitempa Generator 1.0 only generates topics sitemaps, not the entire site. I'll have to go through your SiteMap thread to improve this.

[glen]

The spider won't be able to view the private members section of your board unless you give it permission to act as if it is a "member". This is possible in the Invision Admin CP. However I would not recommend this because it defeats the whole point of having a private forum! Your entire forum will end up in the Google Cache! Also your members would be upset because they would have been misled into thinking they were posting in a private forum when in fact their messages were out there for the whole world to see.

You are better off not using contextual advertising (i.e. adsense)and instead using some other type of ad that is independent of the text on the page....e.g. fast click, value click, amazon, commission junction etc

Cheers, Glen

[lytrix]

glen, on Jun 23 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

The spider won't be able to view the private members section of your board unless you give it permission to act as if it is a "member". This is possible in the Invision Admin CP. However I would not recommend this because it defeats the whole point of having a private forum! Your entire forum will end up in the Google Cache! Also your members would be upset because they would have been misled into thinking they were posting in a private forum when in fact their messages were out there for the whole world to see.

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Thanks for your explanation Glen

glen, on Jun 23 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

You are better off not using contextual advertising (i.e. adsense)and instead using some other type of ad that is independent of the text on the page....e.g. fast click, value click, amazon, commission junction etc

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Could you elaborate why a site like mine would be better off with non contextual advertising? Is it because the site doesn't have central focus? And hence it's harder for google to deliver highly relevant ads? But I still like the pay per click earning model. I tried fastclick which rejected me, I have amazon but I haven't seen one person buying from it, I haven't tried value click or commission junction but I recalled you said something about earning 20 cents in months from commission junction?

[glen]

the reason i said to stop using contextual advertising is because the spiders won't be able to read your pages (because they do not have permission) and so will be unable to provide relevant (or any) ads on your pages.

however, now that i think about it, i have private sections on some of my forums and the ads appear ok so i must be missing something.

perhaps the adsense javascript somehow sends a copy of your page to google (while a member is viewing that page) so then google can access the normally "hidden" page and work out what ads to display. i am not surely exactly how it works but it must be doing something like that.

so sorry for the confusion, i take back what i said, stick with adsense!

and yes i have yet to find another advertising model worth the effort. amazon and cj have been a big disappointment for me though admitedly i have not tried that hard. some people have thousands of pages with ebay ads for example whereas i have only tried a random ad here or there. when i find an adsense killer i will let you know!

cheers, glen

[glen]

I found the following additional information which also seems to relate to the above issue (in the Google Help files) -

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Why am I getting PSAs?
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Your web pages are behind a login.
At this time, pages that require a login can not be easily visited by our crawlers. Additionally, since these types of pages are not easily visited for approval and it is difficult for our AdSense specialists to verify that pages behind a log in follow Google AdSense policies, we are unable to offer support for these pages.

It seems that Adsense ads in a private forum might still appear but it is harder for Google to work out what ads to serve. Therefore, you will have a higher likelihood of having Public Service Ads being displayed. And these of course do not provide you with any revenue.

I had another look at the private forum on one of my other sites and about half the ads are off topic (relating to forum software and servers etc) and the other half are somewhat relevant but not specifically relevant to the given pages on which they appear. They match the theme of the site but not the words on the individual pages in the prviate forum.

Let me know if you find the same,

Cheers, Glen

[lytrix]

glen, on Jul 1 2005, 11:15 PM, said:

Let me know if you find the same,

Cheers, Glen

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I think I agree with that. On my test site, the entire forum is supposedly passworded, so the links on there are totally irrelevant. i'm wondering if contextual ads like those on warp2search.net would suffer the same fait?

[glen]

Hi lytrix, I believe the problem would be the same because it intelliTXT would need to be able to identify the key phrases on your pages. And it cannot do that if it cannot access the page.

I just had another look at the intelliTXT website and noted the following restrictions on entering their adlink program -

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IntelliTXT Policies and Practices

To join Vibrant Media’s IntelliTXT Web Publisher Program your website must:

    * Receive more than one million page impressions per month
    * Be content-rich with more than 200 words per page on the majority of the site
    * Use English as the primary language
    * Contain content across the following categories: Automotive, Computing & Information Technology, Consumer Electronics, Entertainment, Finance, Health, Small Business, Travel, Women’s Interests

http://www.vibrantme...e/web_01a4.html

One million page impressions is a fair bit! i am not sure if any of my sites get that much traffic. and in any case, my busiest sites do not fall within those categories.

Cheers, Glen

[lytrix]

LOL....guess I won't be applying for that program anytime soon. Thanks for the info, Glen!